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Pay non-US developers through local MS office to make tax easier

At the moment, developers planning to sell apps need to have a US tax ID (ITIN, I think?), which can be awkward to get if you're based outside the US. In the AppHub forums, several developers have said that they've paid for certified copies of passports etc to support their applications to the IRS, but are being rejected. Obviously, I'm not keen on starting this process with no guarantee that it will actually work, and I imagine that it's putting off a lot of prospective developers.

Is it practical to pay non-US developers through a local MS office, so that we don't need to register with the IRS to avoid double taxation?

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    breadmowerbreadmower shared this idea  ·   ·  Flag idea as inappropriate…  ·  Admin →

    Closing this item, as we have removed the ITIN requirement, except in the rarest of cases (e.g. W8-ECI). Additionally, all necessary tax forms can be filled out online, through easy to follow flows.

    For the latest information, please visit Setting up your payout account and tax forms in Windows Dev Center.


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      • Paul HarmanPaul Harman commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        I have both a Store developer account and an XBLIG account. It seems the requirement for an ITIN remains for XBLIG accounts which is preventing me from getting paid for my XBox 360 games. I don't understand the difference. How can I get paid for the Xbox stuff without having to go through the W7/W8 form gamut witht he IRS which has already caused my proof of identity documents to get lost in the US postal system once.

      • gggg commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        @Admin Please remove this issue from the BACKLOG as it is solved now!
        Instead concentrate on the other important issues.

      • Anonymous commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        MS could also give the option to use this credit to buy other MS products.
        E.g. (Azure, Xbox Gold, etc...)

        Until now I don't receive my Money because of this complex ITIN or whatever.

      • LukasLukas commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        There is a separate form in the windows store tax area for non-us based developers. I did not have to add an ITIN there or anything like that. So I guess has this been changed already? I hope so. The tax form was checked and approved by Microsoft. I am not yet at 200$ so I did not receive a payment yet. Hopefully it will work.

      • Ian RingroseIan Ringrose commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Just givng an option to be paid var a MS office in the EU would sort this our for a lot of people.

      • Cliff SimpkinsAdminCliff Simpkins (Sr Product Manager, Windows Developer) commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Here in the comments I thought that I'd add some additional notes around why I (personally - please note that this comment is not a formal MS position here; I'm just sharing my perspective) believe would be extremely hard from an execution PoV. Beyond even just the payment coordination, there would be some financial items as different offices belong to different subsidiaries, which at times may be treated as different financial entities.

        (again, personal experience...and I'm neither a lawyer nor a tax professional, but I've had to open POs across offices/subsidiaries in the past, and can tell you it's a sever PiA)

      • ClausClaus commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Its necessary paid with other form in other countries. For example webpay in Chile.

      • AnonymousAnonymous commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Just doing some research before starting to develop for the windows phone and I gotta say I'm put off by reading this and thinking I'll just move directly to android.

      • MarcMarc commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        I can only agree with andycted... and I'm still without ITIN because of that too. I had some question about that and asked the MS support. They told me that they can't help me regarding to any tax questions because they are not accountants...... hey, me either!

        What is the problem? Just do they payment through a local office. If you really want your marketplace become bigger..

      • AlesAles commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Applied for ITIN, got rejected and did not extend my AppHub membership this year... Not going to put more apps into marketplace until I can be paid by the local MS office!

      • andyctedandycted commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Getting an ITIN is a freaking nightmare, frankly the only positive thing out of this experience (and I'm still without ITIN) is that I realized Italian buerocracy is bad, but has some good company...

        ... more seriously, at one point I was almost giving up developing for WP7, because of the problems of getting paid. This is one of the many faces of the care-for-US-only policy of Windows Phone that kills the platform abroad

      • henningkilsethenningkilset commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Or just do it like Apple - don't care, and leave it ut to the developer to sort things out with his local authorities.

      • Glenn MaughanGlenn Maughan commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        PayPal doesn't have this problem. Copy how they do it!

        But seriously, the cost of AppHub registration and getting an ITIN far outweights the income for my app (even though it ranks and rates highly).

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