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UWP Input Validation

As an enterprise developer we need a richer set of Line of Business features. Input validation is fundamental to business applications and should not require us to roll our own or find a 3rd party solution.

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      • David commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Any word on this? It would be great to see an estimated ETA as well. INotifyDataErrorInfo is something that would be very handy, and a UWP developer shouldn't be reinventing it for themselves.

        As a side, it sure would be nice if the UWP/XAML framework could move along faster than it is. It is no wonder that enterprises are scared to start building line-of-business applications, considering that even Microsoft take years to add user interface components. Another example is the UWP datagrid in the windows community toolkit. That has finally become a reality in this year in August but many developers were already waiting on it back in 2011 when WinRT XAML was introduced at BUILD.

      • MelbourneDeveloper commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Thanks Harini! Glad to hear this because I know that you're trying to make XAML as standard as possible across the board so hopefully the solution will use INotifyDataErrorInfo like the other platforms.

      • Thomas Claudius Huber commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Are there any news around this idea?

        @Jerry Nixon: I think INotifyDataErrorInfo gives you at least a way to support what many developers are using today with WPF. But yes, we shouldn't think in boxes. :) Your approach is a ViewModel for a property, that's a great approach. I used it already in the early times of WPF. Look here at the diagram of this article I wrote in 2007! on page five: https://www.thomasclaudiushuber.com/articleresources/200710_ModelViewViewModelArticle.pdf It shows a ViewModel for strings and also for datetimes. It's the same idea you have in mind, but you have a generic base class for your properties, which is a great idea.

        When building WPF projects, I found that the PropertyViewModel approach sometimes has the lack of loosing the connection to the real model/object. Instead of digging deeper and trying to solve this, I thought it would be better to wrap the whole object instead of separate properties. And this is what I did in the past years in WPF. I've described everything in a Pluralsight course that is available here: https://www.pluralsight.com/courses/wpf-mvvm-advanced-model-treatment

        I like your idea. But I think the framework should provide something flexible that allows different ways. Then we could still build something like you've posted on top of the input validation base provided by UWP. What do you think?

      • MelbourneDeveloper commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        This item is too broad. Specifically, Microsoft needs to implement functionality on UWP controls so that when an object is bound to a control, and that object implements INotifyDataErrorInfo, the control should listen to error changes, and display them accordingly. This is excellent functionality in Silverlight and WPF.

      • Danny Hooser commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        +1 @Karl. Please make this happen. All LOB applications I write heavily rely on this feature in WPF/Silverlight. This is a major blocking issue to move forward with UWP for our company.

      • sjb commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Template 10 (and Prism before it) is great as a demonstration of some key concepts. We have Validator, IValidatable, and validation attributes in uwp.

        What is missing is MS resources and development to make a complete, well designed and supported View Model and validation layer that is on a par with EF itself.

      • Brian Hussey commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        It seems like they are okay with 3rd parties filling this role. During yesterdays win10 creative update webinar they had a rep from telerik speaking about all their enterpise features(datagrid/form validation) for uwp. I have been using syncfusion's datagrid with some success but I find 1st party controls have more polish and are better tested.

      • Noemata commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Has there been any progress on this? I am somewhat baffled by the fact that we had Prism as an official Microsoft framework, and it was quite capable. Then when Sinofsky started running the show, Prism fell off the futures road map. It eventually came back and was subsequently released into the wild as an open source initiative no longer officially supported by Microsoft.

        Template 10 is yet another framework that does not have direct support from Microsoft despite Nixon's fine efforts and close ties to Microsoft. What's most baffling about all of this is the fact that WPF/Silverlight key LOB capabilities have been lost with the move to UWP.

        Only as of November 2016 did we get back a usable Entity Framework implementation for UWP that will not be backward compatible! The new features and roadmap is great, but core capabilities for LOB use are only just starting to appear. There is no UWP Data Grid control for LOB. I've heard several reasons for why this is so (from a curious Microsoft design perspective), yet Microsoft was able to incorporate this for its Excel UWP app?

        LOB needs validation, a fully formed EF, and a DataGrid. EF is almost there. Please address the other two real soon.

      • Brian Hussey commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        I have looked at the prism documentation on input validation and it would work but I think most of us are looking for an implementation similar to the wpf/silverlight methods.

      • Karl Shifflett commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Clint,

        Prism for UWP needs to be rewritten. Brian Lagunas and I have talked about it.

        The point is, there is a big hole in the UWP Xamarin Forms Data Binding stack.

        XAML is Data Binding. Without a good data binding story, other technologies are better choices for LOB and Enterprise. Probably not something you or Microsoft would be in favor of. But I look at Enterprise adoption and its low. If you fix this, the platform will be much more attractive to developers for LOB and Enterprise, that's desktop, table, phone, etc.

        I look at this hole as a platform adoption blocker for LOB and Enterprise.

        Without this, we have to write our own framework to get around this.

        Data validation is critical to any LOB or Enterprise app. We can be writing code-behind validation like demo-ware does.

        I'm not sure the folks that wrote the data binding stack in 2013-204 for WinRT appreciated the rich data binding stacks of WPF and Silverlight 4-5.

        As a customer, I fully expected a better stack, not a lesser one that didn't meet my current desktop needs. Heck, ever Windows Phone 7 had IDataErrorInfo.

        I noticed that the data binding team enabled developers to add C# code inline within XAML to eliminate the Converter.

        Not sure how that got prioritized above this. Putting C# code in XAML, break separation of concerns, probably can't be included in code refactoring, and is an Edge Case Scenario at best. Honestly, I would never do it.

        Sorry for the long winded reply, but we need this.

        Appreciate your attention and championing getting this in.

        I'll be in Redmond 8-10 Sept, would love to meet with you and the data binding team.

        Best,

        Karl

      • Brian Hussey commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Build 1607 (Anniversary update) added the ability to install appx apps without the store so it sounds like they are listening to us (enterprise app developers) it would be nice to see a road map.

      • Anonymous commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Microsoft this is CRITICAL for LOB and enterprise apps.

        This is a large hole in the binding stack. Developers need this now.

        I just can't understand the thinking at Microsoft, this is a BLOCKING use.

        Please don't do the same thing the Silverlight team did to developers, which was inching the API's along over a period of YEARS.

        Please bring the UPW binding stack to parity with WPF.

        Karl

      • Thomas Claudius Huber commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        To build line of business apps, we need input validation. When enterprises will switch to Windows 10, they could use UWP instead of WPF to bring the application to multiple platforms. But validation is always an important part for a LOB-app. As long as UWP does not have validation built in, many developers see UWP just as a consumer platform, but not as an enterprise platform.

        Validation should be added to UWP for the INotifyDataErrorInfo-interface, so that existing (Model-)code could be easily be ported from WPF to UWP.

      • Tim Heuer commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        We're looking at a more basic way for anyone to inject validation rather than bind it to a specific implementation of any framework.

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